Episode 206 - Cellular Health: The Essential Role of Phospholipids with Jess Berman of Body Bio

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Discover the cellular cornerstone of health as Jess Berman from BodyBio unveils the wonders of phospholipids, those unsung heroes maintaining our body's fortress—our cell membranes. This episode takes you on a tour through the intricate world of these molecular guardians, with revelations on how the balance of phospholipids influences everything from vibrant aging to warding off diseases. My own health narrative opens a window into the transformative power of mindful nutrition and lifestyle choices, as I recount my journey to improved HBA1C levels, a testament to the potency of natural supplementation and dietary wisdom.

We delve into the structural symphony of cell membranes, where phosphatidylserine plays a leading role in managing stress, and debunk the myths surrounding cholesterol—a molecule far more friend than foe when it comes to hormone function and cognitive health. Beyond busting cholesterol myths, we venture into the science of liposomal delivery systems and the unparalleled importance of high-caliber phospholipids and omega fatty acids. Our conversation stresses the significance of lipid replacement therapy in recovery and the incorporation of nutrient-dense foods to fortify cells against the daily onslaught they face.

Wrapping up the discussion, Jess offers insights into connecting with BodyBio for those keen on diving deeper into the benefits of phospholipids. The episode offers so much education to help you understand the power of butyrate in our diets to dissecting the complex relationship between nutrition, oils, and those precious phospholipids. Be sure to engage with our vibrant community on social media, and if you found the conversation as enlightening as I did, support us with your reviews and by hitting that subscribe button. Together, let's navigate the path to robust health, armed with the science of our cellular allies.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Hi everyone, it's me, sandy Cruz of Sanique, nutrition, health and Lifestyle Queen. For years now, I've been bringing to you conversations about wellness from experts from all over the world. Whether it be suggestions in how you can age better, biohacking, alternative wellness, these are conversations to help you live your best life. I want to live a long, healthy and vibrant life, never mind all those stigmas that, as we reach midlife and beyond, we're just going to shrivel up and die with some horrible disease. Always remember balanced living works. I really look forward to this season. Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy K, nutrition, health and Lifestyle Queen.

Speaker 1: 1:05

Today with me, I'm going to have a unique topic. I haven't seen a lot of podcasts on this topic. We're going to talk all about phospholipids. A lot of you listening are going to go, huh, what are phospholipids? Well, I invited Jess Berman of BodyBio to talk to us all about the importance of phospholipids, and we get into a lot more other really interesting stuff, something that actually will help to optimize your wellness. I do have a discount code, sandy K. We'll get you a discount if you go to bodybiocom.

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Well, people, I have an announcement my essential thyroid guide is done. By the time this podcast releases, it might be available on Amazon. I am self publishing this guide. It is not my book. I am still working on my book and I will get a publisher for that, but for this I wanted to get it out as soon as possible. It is going to be an 8 1⁄2 by 11, simple to read, 27 page essential thyroid guide for those of you who just want to understand how you can optimize thyroid function without having to read a 200 page book, which is what mostly is out there. And I get it. You know how many people have said to me Sandy, why, why do you go into such detail on health stuff? Just give me the Kohl's Notes. Well, this is the Kohl's Notes and it's really going to help you just get started on how you can be an advocate for yourself If you have thyroid issues already or if you want to be preventative, something which I would have loved to have learned way back when, when I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer at age 41. So now I'm going through menopause living without one, having learned so much. Plus, I've also taken certifications in endocrinology and hormones, so I know a lot about the thyroid. That's why they call me the thyroid queen. So this easy to understand guide will be on Amazon. Even maybe by the time you listen to this podcast. It might be there. You can search it up. It's called the Essential Thyroid Guide by Sandy Cruz. Yours truly. I will also have video accompaniment coming soon that will be available on my website, and I will offer a discount to those who buy the guide on Amazon and then also want to dig a little deeper by seeing all of the videos that will go with it on my website. So check it out.

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Speaker 1: 6:25

Today with me I have a special guest. Her name is Jess Berman and she's the CMO of body bio, the company that is building upon her grandfather's mission to bring cell membrane medicine to the masses. Jess also spearheads body bios research team and works with the National Institutes of Health and develops ongoing clinical studies. Jess has also been instrumental in securing partnerships with leading medical doctors and functional medicine specialists, including Dr Terry Walls, dr Christine Gedrick and Dr Will Cole, all of whom have endorsed body bio, recommending its line of products to their patient network. Today we're going to talk about a topic that I think is really not discussed that much. I don't think a lot of people understand or know what phospholipids and how important cell membrane integrity is and what this actually means to overall health. So I'm really excited to explore this topic with Jess and with that, welcome. Thank you so much for coming, jess.

Speaker 2: 7:44

Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 2: 7:46

Now you have a unique background, Maybe yeah, I'm going to start this off by saying I'm not a doctor, I'm not a practitioner. I have a very unique background because I have grown up in the world of health and wellness since I was a little kid. So my grandfather really instilled in us this biohacker mentality from the age that we were small children and when we were young, that was going and seeking out regenerative foods, that was getting foods from the Amish, that was looking for organic, avoiding different chemicals. I've never lived in a home that used chemical cleaners or you know, I've always been aware of these things and it was really because of the information that he was able to pass down to us even when we were little kids.

Speaker 1: 8:40

Oh, I love that because I do believe that we learn through experience and exposure. Like my parents were farmers back in Croatia and you know I always refer to that I'm like they did think you want to talk old school. They were old school, they did things the old way and I feel like you know, when we're younger we don't really care so much, and then now, as we're getting older and we maybe have our own children, we're like oh yeah, now I get it Right.

Speaker 2: 9:11

Yeah, it's true. I feel really fortunate that I was able to be in that environment and to learn so much from them.

Speaker 1: 9:19

Absolutely so let's get right into it. Let's get right into what the cell membrane is. It's estimated that one in three Americans have what's called metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is a cluster of symptoms that together raise your risk of coronary heart disease, stroke, diabetes and other diseases that we certainly don't want. The good news is, if you pay attention to these symptoms, they do not have to result in these diseases, and you can be preventative and proactive with your health. Some of these symptoms might be high blood pressure, high blood sugar levels, high blood triglycerides, a lower HDL and a poor waist to hip ratio.

Speaker 1: 10:26

In October 2022, I actually reached an HBA1C of 6.1. In technical terms, if you look at these ranges, this is a pre-diabatic state. Now, as I'm recording this, in January, the last time I checked, my HBA1C is down to 5.5. I never did get the diagnosis of type 2 diabetes. Medications are not necessarily needed and I did not require medications, and here is where Sigrid's Glucose Stabilizer comes into play.

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Speaker 2: 12:32

The cell membrane is fascinating and I think for a while there we would talk about cellular health and so many people would say to me I'm talking like five, six years ago. I would talk about cellular health and they would say it's too esoteric of a topic. You have to go larger. You're talking about something that is so tiny and we have 70 trillion plus cells in our body and every organ is made of cells. Every mitochondria has a cell membrane. So it's so esoteric that it often gets overlooked. I think that the cell membrane is I'm sure you're familiar with Bruce Lipton and Bruce Lipton's work. We have this blueprint, this architectural drawing that is our DNA, but the DNA does not have any action. The action of our cells comes from our cell membrane and it is this beautiful wall of fats and minerals and ion channels and peptides that encases our cells and our organelles. So mitochondria have a cell membrane. Every single cell in our body has a cell membrane, this wall, if you will, that protects the cell.

Speaker 1: 13:44

So you said 70 trillion cells in our body.

Speaker 2: 13:49

How can you even and that's even an estimate they don't know.

Speaker 1: 13:53

Yeah, I guess it's not like anyone's going to. How are you going to know exactly? You're guesstimating that, but you often wonder how could we even have an impact on 70 trillion cells? What impacts our cells?

Speaker 2: 14:11

Everything, and I often think you know, you think for so long. We heard low fat diets and satirated fats. We heard avoid things like eggs. All of that collectively impacts our cells. Our past history impacts our cells. Everything that you are exposed to all environmental toxins, any type of TBI, virus, physical trauma, chemicals, all of these things temperature, uv exposure, emf exposure all of these things affect our cells and affects our cell membrane.

Speaker 1: 14:50

So what's the function of the cell membrane? Is it just to kind of keep things in and keep things out?

Speaker 2: 14:55

Yeah, it's this you know, we all know leaky gut, you have leaky cells and the function of the cell membrane is to keep the good and the bad out. So it's really this beautiful dance, if you will, on this. You know, if you're going to look at it as a sphere, it's this beautiful dance that happens. And when we have great cell membrane fluidity and structure, when we have ample levels of phospholipids, it is able to normalize and all of the elements on our cell membrane the ion channels, the peptides, the receptors, the cholesterol it all stays in this beautiful balance. But when the phospholipid levels are low or when you're dealing with a toxic exposure or a traumatic brain injury or something, some type of chemical exposure, there's a manipulation that happens to the levels of phospholipids in the bilipid layer. So another important thing to talk about is the cell membrane has two layers to it, an outer layer and an inner layer, and there's different phospholipids in each of the layers.

Speaker 2: 15:59

The most predominant phospholipid that most people in this world have heard of is phosphatidyl choline. It comprises 50% of the outer membrane. Then you have the ancillary phospholipids phosphatidyl serine that's a popular one phosphatidyl ethanolamine, phosphatidyl inositol. You have sphingomyelin cholesterol. You have many different fats involved, but PC is really one of the most important in intrapurl.

Speaker 1: 16:24

Okay, now do I pronounce it wrong? I always used to say phosphatidyl serine, am I just? Is it a Canadian thing? It may be it's tomatoes, yeah, maybe, maybe. So, al Tiebina logic. Okay, I know we're going to get into this, because I had talked about phosphatidylserine like years ago and nobody had ever heard of it. But I had done some research that it's great just for a woman in the second half of her cycle, just to kind of take down that stress level. But I mean, we'll get into that. There's a lot of different applications for phosphatidylcholine versus serine, right, yeah?

Speaker 2: 17:10

Well, it's also because it's more of an important phospholipid. Serine is on the inner leaflet and serine is in much smaller amounts, and I'm sure there is a lot of research as to the benefits of serine on memory. But that is short term.

Speaker 1: 17:27

Okay.

Speaker 2: 17:28

So in practicing what my grandfather really how he approached his research and how he approached cellular health is through cellular nutrition, what we are making or not is not just a dietary supplement, it's cellular nutrition. It's akin to any other essential fatty acids or foods or things. That's nourishing the body. And what we do, especially with our PC complex I can't speak for other complexes, but particularly for ours is it's a balance of all of those phospholipids, just like with B vitamins if you just supplement B12, it's going to offset the levels of the other.

Speaker 1: 18:10

Bs yeah girl.

Speaker 2: 18:12

And if you just supplement with one little phospholipid on the inner leaflet, it will offset the other levels as well, and so part of the ethos and this mentality that we have at body bio is let's bring these things into homeostasis, as they're naturally meant to be.

Speaker 1: 18:32

You're speaking my language because I say nobody talks about that, Jess, about the balance. Because the body always wants to find its balance and I actually learned that back in college when I went back to nutrition college and nobody talks about it. I'm like, listen, it's very common to be low in B12, very common, we know this. But if you're taking a B12, also take a B complex. Right, Because the body just wants, because what can happen is if you take too much of one, then it can just deplete the others or throw off that balance. So you're saying it's the same thing with phospholipids.

Speaker 2: 19:13

Yeah, it is, and I think we also have to remember our bodies are really unbelievable machines and that biochemistry in the body you don't want to throw it off too much Now. We are predisposed to have to deal with so many stressors, right, and there's a lot of practitioners who look at the amounts of disease and the amount of autoimmune disease and things like that that are occurring, and when you look at it, it's almost as if our bodies are not keeping up with the evolution of the world. Right, we've come out with all these chemicals and all these things and our bodies don't know what to do.

Speaker 2: 19:50

And so there are certain things, because many people say well, I can just get phospholipids from food. Well, maybe you could have many years ago, but now, because we are under so much assault on a daily basis, our bodies aren't able to keep up.

Speaker 1: 20:03

Yeah, 100%. And then there's the fact that I always say this, jess, I always say if you're living without a very important organ, it's always going to kind of throw off that homeostasis. So for me, I don't have a thyroid, and since I had my thyroid removed long time ago I don't know, 12 or 13 years I always feel like I have to play catch up. And for me, this is my life. And people are like well, oh, sandy, you know you exercise, you eat. Well, blah, blah, blah, you eat organic and all this stuff. I'm like, yeah, why do you need to take all that? Well, because I know that I personally have a little bit of a challenge with hormones.

Speaker 2: 20:54

Yeah, of course, and that's often the argument with a gallbladder as well. We know how important bile production storage flow is, and yet we just remove gallbladders because somebody has gallstones.

Speaker 1: 21:09

Yeah, yeah, and trust me, I know, because my husband has no gallbladder and my mother and I'm always like you guys, you need to take bile salts, you need to. You know what I mean. Like I'm always saying, sometimes you just got to work with what you got and unfortunately that might mean supplementation where some and I'm not going to say unfortunately, because I believe in targeted supplementation, I'm a big believer in it. But doing it properly, right?

Speaker 2: 21:41

Yeah, of course I. You know, I for me, my weakness and the reason that I actually got involved in body bio years ago was in my early 20s. I had a bunch of digestive issues and I kept going to gastroenterologist. I kept going and doing endoscopies and colonoscopies. I ended up with some type of you know, ibs diagnosis. They put me on previsit and or what was it? Nexium previsit. All these acid reducers, turns out I did not have enough stomach acid to digest my food. Well, that's a hereditary thing. My grandfather was exactly the same. So when I met with him and he finally gave me an HCL and, you know, told me to take this while I'm eating this. Afterwards you're going to go on all this stuff. It changed my life.

Speaker 2: 22:23

That's amazing, and so from then on, I just thought this is the way I'm always going to turn. So a couple of years later, when I started my fertility journey and was dealing with polycystic ovaries, it wasn't. Oh, here's metformin. You're going to have trouble having babies. It was. Let's get to the root cause of why we're having a little bit of an insulin issue anyway. Let's suggest our diet. Let's get on a couple of supplements. I have three beautiful, healthy babies and I know issues with fertility, that's amazing.

Speaker 2: 22:51

So I think supplements are a wonderful thing. I think that they absolutely have a place. I think so does nutrient-tense food, and it's the combination of the two that is so critical.

Speaker 1: 23:01

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think you have to do both. You have to do both. And given our food sources that you know, you briefly touched on like it's not like I've got my farm in the back anymore and there's, you know, and then, even if you do, there's something called drift, where there's chemicals and pesticides and all that stuff coming in. It's just not like it used to be. So let's get into the cells and the membrane and what happens to that membrane as we age.

Speaker 2: 23:36

So as we age, a couple of different things happen.

Speaker 2: 23:39

Through, you know, toxic exposure and injury or trauma, things like that the positioning of the cell membrane changes. We also lose our ability to take phospholipids and get them from our foods, and so it decreases as we age. And so more importantly than ever, especially as we're aging, is phospholipid supplementation, particularly if you are avoiding things that are high in phospholipid content, like eggs or meats, for instance. But irregardless of whether you eat eggs every day my grandfather ate like 12 eggs a day they're going to be high in sphingomyelin, and except balance in the ratio between sphingomyelin and phosphatidocoline on the outer leaflet, that's very important. When we're born, we have very high levels of phospholipids, lower levels of sphingomyelin, and that swaps as you age, and so you need to keep your phospholipids and these healthy fats high for better brain function, liver function. All of these chemicals and pesticides and things affect our gut and they impact our gut tremendously. 80%, almost 85%, of the gastric mucosa is comprised of phosphatidocoline, so it's everywhere and it plays such an important role in our body.

Speaker 1: 24:59

Do we have? Is it possible to have a different cellular integrity in the gut than, let's say, in certain organs? So how does that work? Because obviously there's always talk about the gut lining and is it? Can it vary throughout the body?

Speaker 2: 25:22

Yeah, yeah, it can vary in terms of where it's affecting you most. Have you heard of the cell danger response, this kind of innate defense mechanism that happens with cells when they're under toxic exposure?

Speaker 1: 25:34

Talk to me about it.

Speaker 2: 25:36

Yeah, it's interesting, it's Robert Navios' work and it's a fascinating field. It's for all these people who are struggling with chronic illness, lyme, mold toxicity, sers, for the sickest of the sick, the people who really are dealing with severe mitochondrial dysfunction, phospholipids play such an important role because they're under their entire cellular structure is under attack essentially, and so, in strengthening and making ourselves more resilient, our cells are able to communicate better, but they're also able to just function better.

Speaker 1: 26:11

Oh, that's interesting. So really supporting through first number one, I'm always going to agree with you on the foods aspect, right, so eggs are very high in phospholipids. What other foods Animal?

Speaker 2: 26:25

protein. I mean some vegetables. You've got some whole grains. We derive our PC complex from soy. Soy has 60% more phospholipids than sunflower and so a lot of people will say, oh, I don't like taking soy. We remove in the process. We remove the soy proteins Allergenic and estrogenic.

Speaker 1: 26:53

Oh, okay, okay, because this is really interesting, because my daughter has a peanut allergy and, okay, you're going to laugh at this story, probably. We always used to go to Florida every year when the kids were little and my husband once fed her oh my God, what's that? Chick-fil-a peanut oil. Okay, I know, right, this is a long time ago. This is before I went to nutrition college. Mind you, that's not going to stop him. Anyway, he has to do him right. But I was out with my girlfriend shopping and I get a call. Oh my God, we gave her chick-fil-A and it says peanut oil on the box, but because they stripped the proteins out of the peanut oil, she had no reaction, right? So I guess that's what you're saying in terms of if you take the protein of the soy out of your phospholipid complex, individuals who are sensitive to soy might be okay with your product, right?

Speaker 2: 28:02

Exactly so. You want to check with your doctor. It depends on what type of allergy you have, but almost always people are fine.

Speaker 1: 28:09

Yes, okay. So that's actually a good time to just put this in here to say and I have a disclaimer on all of my podcasts to say that we're never giving medical advice on my podcast and everything that we talk about is for educational purposes, only for you to just get the information and then go back and see if it's right for you, if it aligns with you, go back to your own practitioner and talk to them about it, because I just want to make sure that people listening understand that.

Speaker 2: 28:39

Absolutely, I agree.

Speaker 1: 28:41

Okay, I think we understand what phospholipids are and the importance of it and some foods that we can eat that help. So we need good, healthy fats. Eggs are good. I always say you know what, I don't know. What do you think of that whole? Just as a sidebar, what do you think of that whole debate about cholesterol and eggs?

Speaker 2: 29:04

I mean, I just I we like to see cholesterol at a high level. Okay, thank you, jess. That's just part like what your cells need are higher levels of cholesterol Not crazy high, but 140 is too low.

Speaker 1: 29:23

Do you know who Dr William Davis is? He wrote Wheat Belly. He wrote Wheat Belly. You know Wheat Belly, right? Yeah, of course. Okay, that's Dr William Davis. He's a cardiologist and I interviewed him a while ago and he's a doctor everyone. So this is not me saying it, but he's like listen, just look at your triglycerides. Because you know, the problem is is that we don't get you know what, you know how much of your cholesterol is oxidized, and we don't get that information as a regular panel. We just kind of get LDL, hdl, total and then triglycerides. Always look at your triglycerides. If your triglycerides are high, then that might be. You know, alarm bells ding, ding, ding, but we like cholesterol.

Speaker 2: 30:08

Yeah, absolutely. I mean cholesterol is incredibly important. It's important for hormone regulation, it's important for aging, it's important for brain health.

Speaker 1: 30:18

Yeah, I know, I know that you know. A lot of times women and perimenopause and menopause they see a rise in their cholesterol and then immediately their doctors want to put them on a statin. And you know, this is something I'm just going to say. Remember, cholesterol is like at the top of the food chain. It's the top. So if you take that away, you may not be able to make all the other good stuff right.

Speaker 2: 30:43

And I think often I experienced this with my mother when you make dietary changes it changes those levels drastically. So in her case it was removing pretty much anything removing gluten, keeping that high fat, the high good fats, but removing some of the more inflammatory things in the diet continuing to take phospholipids, continuing to take essential fatty acids, eat seeds and things that have the good fats in them. It normalizes levels.

Speaker 1: 31:16

Yeah, you can really kind of play with all those ratios, right, and I think that's important to note. So let's get into phosphatidylcholine you touched on it, I think that seems to be. Does it make sense for me to say that's one of the most important phospholipids?

Speaker 2: 31:36

Yeah, absolutely, because it's the majority of the outer membrane, and so if you have that outer membrane compromised, you're going to have this idea of leaky cell or leaky mitochondrial membrane. Everywhere that there is a membrane, even within the cell, is going to be compromised, and so I think it's just been overlooked. There's a ton of research on phosphatidylcholine.

Speaker 2: 32:00

Oh yes, needing research, but the I think part of the problem that we experience is that not all phosphatidylcholines are the same, and so many phosphatidylcholine supplements will break down in digestion into choline and triglycerides, whereas a truly liposomal phosphatidylcholine like ours will be absorbed into the bloodstream. For cellular delivery, it will make it through the blood brain barrier.

Speaker 2: 32:27

Many of them do not, and so you have studies like the one that the Cleveland Clinic did that says dietary phosphatidylcholine will increase TMAO and leads to heart disease. No, that is because they were using the wrong type of phospholipids. They were looking at something that's called triple lecithin, and triple lecithin is a byproduct of soy production. They use lecithin as an emulsifier. Yes, they mix it with oil, so soybean oil or safflower oil, oxidized oils along with a product that is not liposomal, it's just lecithin, and for some odd reason, this is allowed to be sold and marketed as PC.

Speaker 1: 33:10

It's a shame because it does a detriment to the overall benefit the true liposomal PCs have, and you see that in a lot of food you do Right, like a ton of food as an additive. Exactly.

Speaker 2: 33:27

And that is not going to supply phospholipids to your cells. That's not the way that it works. It will break down in digestion. It's an emulsifier that you would find in ice cream or chocolate bars, things like that, but it is not going to supply phospholipids.

Speaker 1: 33:43

Okay, maybe this is a good time to explain what oxidization means, because we hear a lot about that, even with our omega-3s, right?

Speaker 2: 33:53

Yeah, we hear a lot about the polyunsaturated fats are very delicate.

Speaker 1: 33:58

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:58

And they can be oxidized easily, making them rinsed. And so what happens with omega-3s? Let's remember if you look at the fatty acid pathway, I have the chart right there if you want to grab it, if, you want me to grab it?

Speaker 1: 34:09

Sure, sure, yeah. If it's your favorite chart, we need to see it. Jess, I love this chart.

Speaker 2: 34:17

So I saw this on the wall of one of our biomedical nutritionists and I said I need to steal that to make our own version.

Speaker 1: 34:23

Oh, it's beautiful.

Speaker 2: 34:24

From our diet, because we do not make essential fatty acids in our body. We have to get them from foods. So you have the omega-6 and the omega-3. The omega-6 is from linoleic acid. Then you have the omega-3 from alpha-linoleic acid and then your lower level, epa, dha.

Speaker 1: 34:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:42

These two up here are your mother essential fatty acids. Those are what's needed for cell membrane health and cellular fluidity. These are also needed, but, as you can see, these are lower down. You'd be missing all of these things if you just take this Now. What's important here is so many people often think, avoid linoleic, avoid vegetable oils, and we agree, avoid vegetable oils. But when you have pure, unadulterated sources of linoleic, they're critically important for the body because it stimulates this entire response. That is needed and it's.

Speaker 2: 35:16

You cannot take EPA DHA to offset levels of fried foods that you're eating. It doesn't work that way. So avoid the oxidized sixes Supplement with beautiful seeds and seed creams. You can soak seeds and blend them to make them into a seed cream. You want to get these. You can get these from you know different foods and meats. We make a product called balance oil. That is a level. It's a four to one ratio of six and three. This process is very minimal, so we also do recommend taking either a CO2 extracted fish oil or a phospholipin based fish oil. Eating caviar, eating tobiko, eating fresh fish a few times a week is a great way to get your fish oils and that's critically important for the DHA pool in our brain especially. But this is still a critically important pathway in the body and you can't just turn it off and avoid it all together. You will actually start to demyelinate. If you do Demyelinate, explain that.

Speaker 2: 36:15

Demyelinate so it just basically sets off a process in yourselves that just it's what you don't want to happen.

Speaker 1: 36:24

Okay, demyelinate bad everyone.

Speaker 2: 36:28

Your body will start attacking itself. People who have multiple sclerosis know a lot about myelination and how important that is, but it's it's again one of these things that we need in balance. It's not about avoiding one entirely and taking a ton of fish oil. It's about having a balance to it all. Okay, and so just in the same way that you can get oxidized pufas, you can get lipid peroxidation occurring within the actual lipids, so you do want to be careful of the source of your phospholipids that you're taking.

Speaker 1: 36:56

Okay, now I've got like 50 million questions back here in my brain. So Omega threes and Omega sixes, if you? Okay, I know there's a difference but maybe explain because people generally will go oh, I'm not supposed to have Omega sixes, but there's healthy sources of Omega sixes as well. Right, like, like, evening primrose oil is an Omega six, but Omega six. But you know, it's so interesting the way health advice tends to come in to the general public where it's like this is bad, this is good and right like, maybe explain. So it's more about the ratios, what you were saying.

Speaker 2: 37:44

It is.

Speaker 2: 37:45

It's well, it's about the quality quality and ratios yes, Quality number one, because just as we have developed chemicals that affect our body, we've also developed foods, and processed foods, and chemo I mean this completely chemically made food, right, and these things affect our body. And so one of the byproducts of, of, you know, soy, sunflower, safflower, corn production is this corn oil. Canola is sunflower oil, safflower oils, a lot of which, most of which are going to be oxidized. They're not carefully treated, they're not cold pressed, they use solvents like hexane to extract these things and they're going to be completely rancid. That is vastly different than getting good quality essential fatty acids, linoleic acid from walnuts, for instance. Yeah, Totally different thing.

Speaker 2: 38:45

And so this myopic view that we've taken on vegetable oils I think is a is probably a product of social media and kind of jumping on board with what we think like, oh, this is the train we're going to hop on, this is what's causing all the issues. This is what's causing, you know, diabetes and and all these different diseases. We completely disagree. It depends on the quality, it depends on the source, and essential fatty acids are critically important to your cellular health. I think you're going to start to see people start to come around to this. I think that the narrative is going to start changing Again. Avoid the oxidized what you see in a supermarket in a clear bottle that's yellow, that says it's heart healthy canola oil. That is not healthy. We do not agree. You should be cooking with that. The actual, unoxidized pure form that's cold pressed, organic and really carefully treated and is non-oxidized is very important for your health.

Speaker 1: 39:47

What I need to ask you about is the omega-3s, because you guys that's been a big topic lately is omega-3s and you have a different type of omega-3 in that your process is different. Not all omega-3 is created equal on the market.

Speaker 2: 40:08

We have a few.

Speaker 1: 40:09

Okay.

Speaker 2: 40:10

I'll give you a little tip. We're coming out with a new one as well. Yeah, omega-3, alphalinolynic and EPA-DHA alphalinolysis, your mother essential fatty acid, the lower level of essential fatty acids, or EPA-DHA, your fish oil, the people or algae oil that people take, a vegan fish oil All are critically important when the synthesis from alphalinolynic to EPA-DHAs is typically not enough, which is why we recommend people eat foods or they take a CO2-extracted fish oil that is very carefully treated, not heated, no solvents used, so it's pure, non-oxidized and will work. Many fish oils on the market are heat extracted. They oxidize very easily and they're not what you want to be taking.

Speaker 1: 40:59

How do we know, though, jess? How do we know?

Speaker 2: 41:02

You should reach out to the company and ask.

Speaker 1: 41:04

Okay.

Speaker 2: 41:05

There's a lot of reputable companies and there's a lot of not. Oils are one thing that I just don't think you want to mess with. You don't want to walk into your local drugstore and just buy the first thing you see on the counter. You can't even do that for olive oil these days.

Speaker 1: 41:19

No no.

Speaker 2: 41:20

So the olive oils are rancid. So treat these fats, these healthy fats and oils carefully, because they're going to really nourish your body and your cells and that is going to show in your brain health, your liver health, your gut health and your skin health.

Speaker 1: 41:36

Okay, all right, that's good. Because I always say the first step is don't go, sorry, costco, but don't go to Costco and buy your whatever Kirkland brand Omega's. You got to know the company. I always say third party tested potency, guaranteed therapeutic grade supplementation is kind of the way to go. And if you're not sure, speak with somebody like okay, I am an RHN, a registered holistic nutritionist. I only work and recommend therapeutic brands. I don't recommend stuff that you find on the drugstore brand, on the drugstore shelf. So that's important to know. Now, one thing I wanted to get into was the research.

Speaker 2: 42:29

I forgot to mention. Okay, so have you heard of SPMs, specialized programs? Yes, I have. So we are coming out with a whole food source, spm that is derived from caviar, so it's going to supply your EPA, dha, as well as SPMs.

Speaker 1: 42:47

Oh see, like to me that makes sense. That's a whole. I always think of you know, okay, it's not the actual food, but I think of it more as a whole food supplement. Right, when you're able to safely extract what you need from a food that you can't eat that often? Yeah, that's amazing, jess.

Speaker 2: 43:10

I'm excited. It's going to be great because the only sources of naturally occurring SPMs are caviar and breast milk, and coming out with a breast milk supplement does not sound like something that would fly well. But coming out with a caviar derived SPM, I'm very excited about it because it's going to be incredibly anti-inflammatory. But it will also support it's a phospholipid-based EPA DHA, so it's not a triglyceride form and it'll be a really bioavailable form that's going to work really well for absorption.

Speaker 1: 43:40

So SPM. Do you want to just briefly explain what that means?

Speaker 2: 43:46

Antifreeze pro-resolving mediators are a component in fish oil. It depends on if it's synthetically made or if it's naturally occurring. It is highly anti-inflammatory in the body.

Speaker 1: 43:58

Yes, and they, you know how. They always say omegas are really anti-inflammatory. Well, this is like I don't know what the. It would be like way more potent to help, exactly, right, exactly. So I have to ask you this you mentioned triglycerides and so, because of the delivery of your formulation, which is liposomal, it will not raise triglycerides in the blood, sorry, it will help to normalize. It actually helps to normalize. However, if you take other phospholipids that are not liposomal delivery, it could potentially raise triglycerides.

Speaker 2: 44:46

It will.

Speaker 1: 44:47

It will. That's important to know.

Speaker 2: 44:52

Then you get into the whole conversation of what is the liposome, and a liposome is made of a phospholipid. Whether or not a company can show that their product is liposomal or not is very, very complex and is very vague, I would say. And so there's a lot of companies claiming to have liposomal vitamin C or glutathione and they're just mixing their product with lessethane and that will not make a liposome.

Speaker 1: 45:23

So then, how complex is it to make it truly liposomal?

Speaker 2: 45:29

It's quite complex. There are a couple of companies doing it well. There are a couple of raw material suppliers that are doing it well. So I was just at Supply Side West last week in Vegas, which is a wonderful trade show for raw materials and formulators and large contract manufacturers that do encapsulation, really cool encapsulation technologies and things like that. It's probably the largest show trade show for supplement manufacturers. Obviously we manufacture most of our supplements, so we're there and I say I saw five, five out of thousands that are making liposomes properly. So they're showing the liposome, they're showing the nutrient encapsulated in the liposome. They're able to do a mass spec photography of it to really show that. They're also doing blood plasma levels and trials to show that the product increases the blood plasma level of, say, vitamin C or glutathione or iron.

Speaker 1: 46:27

Wow, that's awesome. It's important to know who and you guys do it. You guys have been able to show that what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 46:37

We do. Yeah, we're starting to get into clinical trials with our phospholipids as well, which is exciting.

Speaker 1: 46:42

That is exciting. Okay, Speaking of studies and clinical trials, I've been reading some research I found fascinating, relating to phosphatidylcholine supplementation and dementia. Did you read that study? There's probably more than one. I'm sure you did.

Speaker 2: 47:08

There's many, and this is why my grandparents started body bio. A lot of this research was being done many years ago. Body bio has been around since 1998, and they saw what you know. As we know, it takes a very long time from when the research is done to when it's applied in clinical practice. What they saw, especially for neurodegeneration, was a need for phospholipids, essential fatty acids, short chain fatty acids, chemical chaperones like butyrate and TUDCA, and ways to detox the body at the cellulose level.

Speaker 1: 47:45

Essentially, it gets super complicated. But I guess you know we were talking about cells. So I have a very different way of looking at things and I look at things both from how, what the science says. But then I look at how do I visualize this? Like I visualize phospholipids as very important so that you don't have, like, leaky cells. So there's all I'm picturing like all these assaults throughout life. You know, like now I'm going to be 54. I feel like I'm healthier now than I was in my 40s. But I'm like if I kept going the way I was going in my early 40s, you know, where would I be now if I didn't kind of stop the process and really address things right? So cells are very important. That's like everything in our body.

Speaker 2: 48:41

Well, cells are where disease occurs. So you would keep running that rat race and behind the scenes, something critical and some type of critical disease is developing. You know, these things don't develop overnight. These people say, oh, she was perfectly healthy and then she got breast cancer. That was developing for 10 to 15 years, and so are neurodegenerative diseases. This is not just overnight and they occur at the cellular level. So if we have this foundation of keeping our cells more resilient and strong and stable, it's only going to help us to be healthier overall.

Speaker 1: 49:18

Overall, yes, and you know a lot of the things that you know we're talking about here is really about trying to be proactive, because it's so much easier to be preventative. And so, you know, I always say a really good thing to know is to know your genetics. I've done my genetics, both up down and backwards, and analyze this way and that way and I know where some of my potential and I always say potential because I'm, you know, epigenetics right, it's all about turning it on and turning it off and making sure that things don't express at midlife, which is often what happens, and phospholipids is a way that you could kind of be proactive, right?

Speaker 2: 50:12

It is. It's also a way that you can treat so it's it's both proactive and it's reactive in a way, because the way toxins and things affect our epigenetics is because it changes the way our DNA is transcribed. It changes, you know, it changes the structure of our cells and we have these aggregated and misfolded proteins that are occurring. And what my grandparents really researched is how do you use cellular nutrition to detoxify those toxins and replenish the cells? And so you use things like chemical chafferones that I mentioned, like butyrate and Tudka, that go in and break down these abnormal proteins and lipids, and then you use essential fatty acids and PC to really help to fortify, strengthen and wash these things out of the body. And this is part of a cellular detoxification that functional medicine doctors all over the world use our products for. For many years it was used in an IV form and now many of them use either IV or oral or both.

Speaker 1: 51:30

Can you explain why Tudka might be better than something like milk thistle?

Speaker 2: 51:37

It's a completely different thing.

Speaker 1: 51:38

Okay, but there's, they're both support to support the liver, isn't?

Speaker 2: 51:41

it. Well, that's one element of Tudka.

Speaker 1: 51:44

Okay, yeah, explain it, because people know that cellular element that is unlike others. Okay.

Speaker 2: 51:51

So it's a bile salt but it has properties that make it a chemical chafferone and it's extremely powerful at cellular detoxification, so breaking down the toxins that are affecting our nuclear and mitochondrial DNA and causing epigenetic issues. So we all have that Achilles heal. It's what's turning on, that Achilles heal? So for me it's my thyroid. I've always gone towards a place of you know weak thyroid, towards Hashimoto's. I've been able to avoid getting a diagnosis of Hashimoto's, but let's say I didn't, let's say I didn't take all these things and I may end up with Hashir, I may end up with something else involving my thyroid, and so you have that genetic predisposition towards something. But it's our environment that actually triggers it and turns it on and we can use things to help prevent that.

Speaker 1: 52:43

So it's much more, because Tudka is often you know it's just referred to as a support for your liver right, so it does way more.

Speaker 2: 52:53

Way more. I love Tudka. I mean look up Tudka in neurodegeneration. It's fascinating what's going on.

Speaker 1: 53:00

Okay, all of these, and then butyrate. I know butyrate is really great for those with gut issues. Right? Can you explain a little bit the function of butyrate in the body?

Speaker 2: 53:15

Sure, butyrate is a byproduct of a healthy microbiome, a balanced microbiome, if you will. It is a molecule that is produced in the gut, in the colon. Actually, when you have the right bacteria and it's fed the right foods, that food is resistant starch. We are eating less resistant starch than we ever have and then you have to have the right bacteria. So that's assuming you're not constantly on a course of antibiotics and so combine these two things together and they make ample levels of butyrate.

Speaker 2: 53:44

We are seeing systemically low levels of butyrate, and butyrate is a really important molecule for immune system regulation. It's an incredibly important molecule for inflammatory markers. It helps keep inflammation down. It seals tight junctions in the leaky gut. Yes, it also plays a role on the cellular level by acting as a chemical chaperone and an HDAC inhibitor, so it helps keep your DNA transcribed in the way that it should be. So it's a fascinating molecule and I think that we are just systemically low in it because of our food, because of the source of our foods, the lack of nutrient density in our foods, as well as because of things like glyphosate.

Speaker 1: 54:23

Okay, there's. There's a couple of different types. There's sodium butyrate and then there's a. I didn't brush up on it. There's two types, right.

Speaker 2: 54:31

Yeah, sodium was what's produced naturally in the body. We make cow mag for those who are concerned with sodium hypertension, but, as you and I both know, increased levels of sodium have now been linked to longer lifespan, yep, so we're not as concerned with that as we used to be. This is not table salt iodized table salt and so we make two different types of butyrate salts. And then you also have tributaryl, which is a different form of butyrate that is made on a glycerol backbone and it removes the smell.

Speaker 2: 54:58

Butyrate salts smells kind of like a rancid cheese. Yes, get used to it. I just put the cap. I'll show you what I do.

Speaker 1: 55:07

I don't mind it. I take so much stuff that I'm like I don't care, it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 2: 55:12

Put it in here and take it from here, so I never touch the capsules.

Speaker 1: 55:16

Yeah, because your fingers will get stinky afterwards. I know, wash your hands, whatever.

Speaker 2: 55:22

So I love butyrate. It's fascinating. They're doing a lot of studies on butyrate's role in cancer. They're doing a lot of studies on butyrate's role overall with decreasing inflammation markers. There was a great study that was done on eating a green banana a day for three years and people had a. I think it was like a 30% total body reduction in cancer. Well, why? Green bananas are a resistant starch and they're producing higher levels of butyrate in the gut. So if you don't want to deal with the smell of butyrate, eat a green banana.

Speaker 1: 55:58

Yeah, or make my mom's recipe of potato salad. It's just like the most basic.

Speaker 2: 56:07

Potatoes, yeah Like how?

Speaker 1: 56:09

and I, every once in a blue moon, I make it. It's so simple. It's just literally oil, vinegar, salt, pepper and red onion. That's it.

Speaker 2: 56:20

So now you can use balance oil, which has the same flavor as like a vegetable oil. It's a little bit of a stronger flavor because it's not oxidized and we don't remove everything from it.

Speaker 1: 56:31

Right.

Speaker 2: 56:32

Old pressed sunflower and flaxseed oil. So you have a little bit of that taste from flax, but I use it in my potato salad to make a homemade mayo. And so I'll take egg yolks, balance oil, a little bit of vinegar, a little bit of like mustard powder, salt, pepper. Milk frother makes it into a great homemade mayo. And then you throw that into a potato salad and you have this bioactive lipid, beautiful fats around, these great resistant starches, super nutrient tense. You know, pardon me, that was taken. You're in an ideal scenario.

Speaker 1: 57:04

Oh beautiful. I actually make my own homemade mayo too. Ever since ever since I saw the chosen foods one go up to $18 in Canada. I'm like are?

Speaker 2: 57:16

you kidding me? What oils are you using in?

Speaker 1: 57:19

that I have olive oil and I have avocado oil. I tend to only use two oils.

Speaker 2: 57:26

So now adding balance oil to that.

Speaker 1: 57:28

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 57:29

Because, remember, olive oil is omega nine. You're not getting from that, you're not getting either of these Right, right, so you need these.

Speaker 1: 57:39

So mix the oils is what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 57:42

I love mixing oils. Yeah, it's how interesting I make. I take half balance oil, half of a really great quality olive oil that's going to help, you know, with those extra polyphenols and really strong flavor, and one that's in a dark container, yeah, so you never want a clear bottle and I'll do half and half.

Speaker 1: 58:02

That's a great idea. I don't use much avocado oil.

Speaker 2: 58:04

I just think it's highly processed. I'm not a big fan, really, because I sometimes like if I'm frying a steak or something, but I don't like to use beef tallow for that.

Speaker 1: 58:16

Yes, yeah, I yeah. I mean there's beef tallow, then there's just pure lard. You know my mom, she uses just pure lard, sometimes from a, from a farm, like a close by farm. That kind of does things in the right way. So, yeah, okay, that's great, that's great. I want to get back into a little bit of the research before. Oh, the other thing what do you think of pulsing some of these things in and out, like if you're doing this for prevention and for really just to strengthen the cells, right, yeah, what do you think? Like? Because a lot of people are going to ask well, you know, I don't, I don't think I have any issues, but I wouldn't mind being preventative in my, in my health. So would somebody go on phospholipids for three months of the year, or like, what would you think?

Speaker 2: 59:24

To me it's an everyday.

Speaker 1: 59:26

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 59:27

Not a pulse. It's nutrition you are. You are providing your body with building blocks that your body needs for every part of your body. It is not, it's not like a individual being or vitamin C, it's it's. This is nutrition, not supplementation for, for PC and balance oil, these are very nutrient dense foods that you're you're feeding your cells in lipid replacement therapy, which is the the way that functional doctors use it to address complex disorders. Typically, they're using high, high doses for six months and then tapering down to a maintenance dose. High dose can be up to three tablespoons, which is about 36 pills a day.

Speaker 1: 1:00:13

Ooh.

Speaker 2: 1:00:14

Yeah, so you're taking extremely high doses. For people who have had severe illness and are recovering, they may be on that high of a dose, you know. Children, potentially with some type of epigenetic issue that, let's say, is causing them to have seizures, like 70 seizures a day, or they're living in a moldy house and it's causing just a complete brain on fire. Scenario Children with autism Okay, maybe on high dose daily.

Speaker 1: 1:00:45

And then and then what about? I just was curious about the Tadka and the butyrate. Is that something that you would pulse in if you don't really have issues? Yeah, you can. So you can pulse Tadka in and out. Same thing with butyrate. Now does butyrate? Does it give some people gas?

Speaker 2: 1:01:12

It can at first when it's normalizing methane levels in the gut. Okay, and then it will normalize after about a week.

Speaker 1: 1:01:17

Okay, all right, that's good to know. Now back to the studies. So we talked about phospholipids and dementia. I've read that study, or there's a few, as you said. What other studies are linked to healthy phospholipid level, like in the body, healthy phospholipids?

Speaker 2: 1:01:36

They're looking at it in terms of applications for strokes. They're looking at it right now in terms of applications for TBI and CTE. So traumatic brain injuries, autism, concussion. Lipid replacement therapy is used in a multitude of different ways. It's not. You can check, you can search, butyrate and see so many different studies with specific applications. Pc is much more broad.

Speaker 1: 1:02:06

Okay, all right, and I think that's like the majority of the questions I had. Did I miss anything? We covered so much. We're almost at an hour, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:20

I think we touched on one thing. We didn't touch on but didn't talk about. A lot is people who are experiencing brain fog.

Speaker 1: 1:02:28

Oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:29

Cold here, but brain fog is a big one and you're having a lot of people come off of long COVID, or COVID with brain fog, and phospholipids are critically important for this, and so we're seeing a lot, and I'd love to do a study or some clinical work just to really prove how this works to help with brain fog.

Speaker 1: 1:02:48

And there's. I have a lot of menopausal women who listen to my podcast, so that would probably be very useful in a menopausal woman who is dealing with brain fog.

Speaker 2: 1:03:03

I just saw a review, actually, in which a woman said this is the only thing that has helped my menopause brain fog Wow.

Speaker 1: 1:03:10

I mean, you know I'm always going to say there's other things too, like always look at the root because maybe it's just, you know, a little bit of bio. Identical hormones could help with that. Right Thyroid, it could be thyroid. Listen, I've been there too. So I'm excited to really really learn more about phospholipids because, like I said, the only thing I ever knew was the phosphatidylserine, and that was years ago and I just heard it's great to take in the second half of your cycle for stress.

Speaker 1: 1:03:49

Yeah we didn't even touch on stress and how stress affects your cellular membrane Of course it all does.

Speaker 2: 1:03:58

Yeah, it acts on the central nervous system and the spiking of all the different hormones cortisol and your adrenals all that is going to affect your cells. So keeping your cells more resilient. That's why I say it's an everyday supplement, it's not a pulsing. This is nutrients to keep your cells stronger.

Speaker 1: 1:04:20

You really, really outlined a lot. Also, anyone listening, just be careful of what you're taking, because you want to make sure that you're taking the right nutrient to do the right thing in the body Right.

Speaker 2: 1:04:36

Very true.

Speaker 1: 1:04:38

All right, well, just tell us where we can find body bio and let us know how we can follow and all of those things.

Speaker 2: 1:04:46

You can follow us anywhere on social media. At body bio, our website, bodybiocom. We sell on Amazon as well as Amazon Canada and through functional integrative practitioner offices as well.

Speaker 1: 1:04:59

That's great. Thank you so so much, jess.

Speaker 2: 1:05:03

Thank you so much for having me. It's great to help spread the word about the importance of phospholipids, kind of this unsung hero of the health world.

Speaker 1: 1:05:10

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